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What is the occupy movement in relation to political parties?
A substitute for failed current political parties of the above inclinations.
A raw manifestation of a new political party in the making that belongs in the post modern, post left/right dichotomy, post representative democracy political landscape.
A phenomenon of reaction to the current failing political landscape that will disappear once the parties refresh and reorganise themselves in accordance to the latest globalised developments and crisis.
What do you think?
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Permalink Reply by V on -
"..a new political party in the making .." if that's the case I'm outta here.
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Permalink Reply by mamasmudge on -
Me too V , political parties dont work.Same s**t, different front man. Unless its a totally new way of doing things we are lost. I think we need to be non of the above .... although how that can be acheived is mind-boggling. I live in hope though ; )
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Permalink Reply by gael.bage on -
We do need separation of government being funded by the big banks and conglomerates so that what we have is answerable to us and not the 1%. Yes we can be the change we want to see, but that doesn't happen overnight, its a big leap from the materialistic spoon fed society we have been and it takes a lot of inner work to wake up and move forward creatively from a position of love compassion and inclusiveness for all and the planet, it has implications for absolutely everything we do. Meantime I wonder if here in UK we could make use of the governments own e petition site to achieve some of our goals ? They will debate any proposal that gets enough signatures and that is something we should be able to cover with the number of Occupy supporters, there are lots of supporters with responsibilities that want to help but can't physically be there on site but could sign e petitions. ..
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/how-it-works .
I am thinking we could use this in a similar fashion to that comedian using the forms required to demonstrate in the city.... at least make them think and be more aware.
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Permalink Reply by Brandon Argy on -
I believe education is where things need to be. We have a lot more numbers to gain before any such action could be taken serious. It has been long standing that the Occupy movement doesn't seek a Political party and my personal opinion is it is not in my best interest or the best interest of the movement.
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Permalink Reply by Cubata Collective on -
Current politics may be failing us but denouncing politics and political parties can only undermine real democracy and all the gains of many generations of struggle against tolitarianism and absolute authorities. Even if our democracies are failing us or do not represent us or do not bring the change we need, we still need to decent them and we have to focus our efforts in evolving them and transforming them into what we think they ought to be rather than denounce them as irrelevant, utterly corrupt or fake. E-petition are not available in north Korea or Myanmar. In China people are not even allowed to vote for X-factor let alone local or federal government. Occupy everything. Politics, political parties, democracies, constitutions, means of production and wealth creation, education, welfare, policy making organisations, NGOs etc etc. The lot. All can benefit from the spirit of the occupy movement in order to be brought to the 21st century set of priorities and ethics. Those of globalised solidarity, environmental responsibility and deep sense of communal spirit. We are all on this blue planet together and it just makes more sense if we manage it in a clever and fair manner for the benefit of everyone now and in the future. Now we know. Science and emancipation from the shackles of religion and divisive ideologies have enabled us to see the obvious. That's what #occupy is for me.
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Permalink Reply by Just Torch on -
Though I am very definitely liberal and unapologetically so, I am so very frustrated with so much I see about Occupy. One of the very first things that I believed about Occupy is that it is not about Left v Right. Occupy is about right v wrong. If it changes, or forgets that, then I am out of the movement. The issues that we should be facing, are not about one's political orientation. These are truly about survival and sustainability. These are about ECONOMIC issues. Economic issues which have corrupted our politics so to that extent they are political as well.
I have already seen Occupy maturing. I defended it early on to old 60s activists who asked what did it stand for? What were the goals? Where are the leaders? I pointed out that it was a nascent movement, and that no such massive social movement sprang fully formed into being like Athena from Zeus' thigh. I then tried very carefully to enumerate for them the issues which I saw as being the core issues. Again, sustainability and survival. Economic inequality. I convinced one or two to give us a chance. I lost one or two.
But, I digress. You asked, "What is the occupy movement in relation to political parties?" The answer in my opinion should be that it is nothing in relation to the parties because it is above and beyond politics. It must use politics to achieve its goals, but it isn't about politics. It isn't about any of the things you listed because those things are all petty squabbles that come lower on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Once we find and push the reset button, then we can resume our squabbles over those issues, if we need to, and chances are pretty good that we will need to, because we are, after all, petty humans and it is in our nature to squabble with each other.
Despite all our attempts to believe otherwise about ourselves. Very damn few of us, and I am not counting myself in that number, have risen far enough above that level yet.
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Permalink Reply by occupyurmind on -
A place where the two party stranglehold goes to die. A movement where people always think for themselves first and never absorb the ideas of any party without critical thought.
Some food for thought on the subject:
http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_falla...
http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2009/12/25/why-i-wont-ca...
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Permalink Reply by Donnie Vortex on -
None of the above.
Not an auxiliary, not a substitute, not the makings of a political party, certainly a phenomenon but not as you describe.
Every once in a while something truly new happens in history. The Occupy movement has been a global, ongoing, highly visible response to grievances which are global, ongoing and highly visible. It is only within the last few decades that the worlds population has been technologically and culturally capable of uniting in opposition to problems that effect everyone. Until recently there were no problems which effect everyone such as global warming, financial meltdown, universal corruption.
This is not going to become a political party, because no political party could possibly represent it. What we are discovering is that we can only represent ourselves and each other, on the basis of equality.
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Permalink Reply by circlepoint on -
yes, Donnie!
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Permalink Reply by Leon on -
An acknowledgement that the current system is not working.
An open debate as to why.
An attempt to begin the construction of a different system which does not include the elements that caused the previous system to fail.
Consensus - Whether we are left, right student, retiree. We need to work together towards the next step.
Love - We have to unite as the people and realize that we are all equal.
In a nutshell that is what I think the occupy movement represents.
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Permalink Reply by Thom Brown on -
Occupy is the only political movement I've ever truly believed in. <3
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Permalink Reply by Tom on
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Well said
Just Torch said:Though I am very definitely liberal and unapologetically so, I am so very frustrated with so much I see about Occupy. One of the very first things that I believed about Occupy is that it is not about Left v Right. Occupy is about right v wrong. If it changes, or forgets that, then I am out of the movement. The issues that we should be facing, are not about one's political orientation. These are truly about survival and sustainability. These are about ECONOMIC issues. Economic issues which have corrupted our politics so to that extent they are political as well.
I have already seen Occupy maturing. I defended it early on to old 60s activists who asked what did it stand for? What were the goals? Where are the leaders? I pointed out that it was a nascent movement, and that no such massive social movement sprang fully formed into being like Athena from Zeus' thigh. I then tried very carefully to enumerate for them the issues which I saw as being the core issues. Again, sustainability and survival. Economic inequality. I convinced one or two to give us a chance. I lost one or two.
But, I digress. You asked, "What is the occupy movement in relation to political parties?" The answer in my opinion should be that it is nothing in relation to the parties because it is above and beyond politics. It must use politics to achieve its goals, but it isn't about politics. It isn't about any of the things you listed because those things are all petty squabbles that come lower on Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Once we find and push the reset button, then we can resume our squabbles over those issues, if we need to, and chances are pretty good that we will need to, because we are, after all, petty humans and it is in our nature to squabble with each other.
Despite all our attempts to believe otherwise about ourselves. Very damn few of us, and I am not counting myself in that number, have risen far enough above that level yet.
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